Sorry for this late summary, i was very busy with many others concerns. First i will thank people who responded, and responses was very instructives. Lars Hecking: Tim Chipman Chris Hoogendyk Marcelino Mata Daniel.Jaime I don't receive what i was waiting for, but some clues (sorry for my poor english vocabular): First, use firefox, and i try it on a blade100, it seems to work well, except for printing. You have to use Xprint explained here: Sun InfoDoc #ID71966 but i don't want to install GISWxprint and GISWxprintglue on my prod server. And it needs somme scripting if you want your users use firefox and thunderbird instead of mozilla, config files are not in .mozilla directory M. Mateo try to explains me the measures of footprint, but i think i need to compare it with some others products like firefox Two points: - first, i want to use sun packages instead of other contributed packages, on a prod server, it simplifies management, and i have some support from sun in case of misfunction - two, T. Chipman talk about apps launch from a linux server, yes i think he's right, but as long as i can buy sparc machines, i don't want to administer pc machines in server's office, it's a choice... here is the responses i received: Lars Hecking: As you mention junk control, I presume they are using mozilla for mail? If it's not too big a deal, I'd recommend to use mozilla thunderbird for mail, and firefox for the web. thunderbird can only do pop and imap, though, it can't read a (local of NFS mounted) mail spool. I don't use thunderbird myself. We have 0.6 installed on Linux, and 0.5 on Solaris, I'm waiting for a contributed build (there is one for Solaris 8 x86 already). None of the thunderbird users have come back with feedback yet, but there aren't many. We have firefox 0.8 on Solaris and Linux, and I have yet to run into any bugs. I made it my browser of choice nearly 3 months ago, and did not go back to mozilla. The only problem is that an additional package (xprint) is required for printing, but I don't print off the web very often. Tim Chipman for what it may be worth: we're running a sunray environment here, and I gave up on running netscape/mozilla on the sunray server itself a long time ago. We deployed a "small" dual-2400mhz athlon (linux) app-server where we run mozilla, openoffice, etc... and then xforward these apps to users on the sunray environment. Since we're using centralized kerberos authentication, this can all be done transparently - the user on the sunray doesn't really even know their mozilla (etc) are not running locally. The net result is that the sunray server loads are infinitely more reasonable ; the sunray sessions are responsive ; the athlon app server does all the "grunt work" of actually running mozilla (openoffice, gimp, etc) and of course, since athlon app servers are virtually free, we prolong the life of our sunray server at minimal net effective cost. Of course, our deployment here isn't huge - we have typically between 20 and 25 concurrent sunray users, on a total of about 30-35 sunray workstations - and we're using an 4x400mhz e450 as the sunray server. (we had been using a 2x400 e250 until about 6 months ago, but had an easy opportunity to swap in a 450. With current usage, I believe we can easily scale to 50 concurrent users before we need to get worried about needing any more upgrades...) and, to say it clearly: The linux app server, despite being a "generic clone box" system, has been absolutely rock-solid. No crashes, instabilities, and the performance is phenomenal. (in my testing, athlons run approx equivalent MHZ yield as per UltraSparc II or III CPU's, ie, early benchmarks I did on an older dual-athlon indicates that a 2x1600mhz athlon system with "3200mhz total" had virtually identical CPU performance to an 8x400mhz {ie, also "3200mhz total"} e3500 system when running "Blast", a CPU-intensive app we use here frequently). Hope this is of some use/interest, Chris Hoogendyk for that very reason, I have been thinking about going to Mozilla FireFox. haven't had time to get to it yet. take the savings in memory useage on the one server and multiply it by the dozens of SunRay users on that server, and it's not small peanuts. Marcelino Mata Using RMCmemtool memps command I get the following : # ./memps PID Size Resident Shared Anon Process 18130 53424k 37800k 26024k 11776k Mozilla.org 1.6 build for Solaris 18202 46920k 37216k 27616k 9600k SUN Mozilla 1.2.1 20432 42328k 40152k 28136k 12016k SUN Mozilla 1.4 18224 40032k 32128k 21352k 10776k Mozilla.org 1.5 build for Solaris I started Mozilla with blank screen. I agree that the memory foot print is getting bigger. I'm not sure if memory size should be based on Size or Resident+Shared. Using Resident+Shared, 1.2.1 is 64.8Mb vs 68.2Mb for 1.4. How are you getting 30Mb for 1.2.1? From research, RMCmemtool gives more accurate information vs Solaris "ps -ef", top, Process Manager etc. I understand that Mozilla 1.7 is suppose to decrease the foot print to Mozilla 1.5 level. I do not know if that will mean anything to SUN released builds. It looks like Sun 1.4 includes some code from the 1.6 release (i.e. single sign-on). In general I have noticed that since Mozilla is based on the reference platform of Linux and Windows, that the Solaris build is larger since it based on older GNOME technology and does not have certain Linux libraries like it's font server etc...Optimization wise, Mozilla will probably be smaller on Linux. I was getting different numbers so I rebooted and tested again. I also installed Mozzila 1.7rc1. Installing SUN 1.4 unstalled 1.2.1 so I don't have those numbers... Size Resident Shared Anon Process 57560k 42208k 28056k 14152k mozilla 1.6 37384k 30568k 19840k 10728k mozilla 1.5 44008k 41960k 33432k 8528k SUN 1.4 56424k 39544k 28776k 10768k mozilla 1.7rc1 Here's the explanation of memory usage from memtool docs....attached is the docs for your reference. Resident - The amount of physical memory that this file has associated with it. Used - The amount of physical memory that this file has mapped into a process segment or SEGMAP. Generally the difference between this and the resident figure is what is on the free list associated with this file. Shared - The amount of memory that this file has in memory that is shared with more than one process. Daniel.Jaime why don't you install the actual official stable release 1.6 from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.6/contrib/mozil +la-sparc-sun-solaris2.8-1.6.tar.gz . A lot of severe security problems were fixed in this version. The README file can be found at http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.6/contrib/mozil +la-sparc-sun-solaris2.8-1.6.readme , the Downloadpage at http://www.mozilla.org/releases . Concerning the print environment, you can find in the README file the following information * Printing is supported via Xprint (see http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.4rc3/index.html#xprint) xprint.mozdev.org provides various Solaris packages including "GISWxprint" and "GISWxprintglue", for people without (root) permission to install packages the plain tarballs are provided, an alternative prodecure is described in Sun InfoDoc #ID71966 about the same issue (see http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=finfodoc%2F71966 - "How to add printers to Netscape[TM] and Mozilla[TM]?"). I hope this can help you. _______________________________________________ sunmanagers mailing list sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org http://www.sunmanagers.org/mailman/listinfo/sunmanagersReceived on Tue May 18 05:24:43 2004
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