Hi Sun managers,
Here is the question:
> o I have no problem installing WABI in Solari system but can I install
> only in one system and let other users in other systems to use it too?
> (I hate to goto each workstation and install it .... and I need to
> buy one copy of, for instance, Microsoft word for EACH workstation,
> right?)
>
> o Anyway, I went ahead and asked SunExpress about WABI server, and they quote
> me a sale quotation for a copy of WABI server and a 10 client user licencse.
> o Are these 10 client user licenses floating licenses?
> o If you use it, do you like it?
>
> o We have HP systems in our company too, and they have a product call
> HP500 system which is a 486 (?) system and as PC server. I can
> display Microsoft window from this server to my Sun system. My manager said
> that this unit is in evaluation, and is not running so fast. If anyone is
> using this product, would you please tell me what is your opinion on this
> product?
>
> o My manager also told me there is a product from Triteal that run in
> WindowNT and act as a PC server in Unix environment. He said it seems
> to be a very good product. Well, anyone has experience on this product
> too?
>
> The reason for getting PC environment into Solaris/SunOS platform are:
> 1) so that Sun user can use PC application software.
> 2) we have PC user sending MicroSoft Word attachment to our Sun user, and
> they don't know what to do.
> o I uudecoded the email and displayed it under HP500 PC server in my Sun
> system - it worked OK. What I want is when user receive the email, it
> can automatically invoke 'WABI or HP500 or using Triteal or ...' and
> display it a Microsoft window under his Sun system, any suggestion?
>
Many thanks to Danny Johnson, Bruce Cheng, Dale Wiles, Jason andrade, Mike Roberts,
Linda Cygan, John Reynolds, Kris Briscoe, and Sardella Matteo. If I missed your name,
please accept my apology - I probably missed your email because of a stupid mistake
I made on my 'procmail' software and I lost all my email between 6pm to 10pm last
night.
Here is the Summary:
o "WABI" comes with Solaris:
o use it across NFS and it works fine but one user made the change would overwritten
to other users' change! (well, no one mentioned the WABI Server and Client
product need to be purchased from SunExpress)
o need certification of the Product (eg. Word 6.0) from Sun to be sure that it work
correctly on WABI.
o realy sucks for anything other than 'light' use IMHO.
o should put it on a X86 box instead of SPARC station.
o HP500:
o only run Window 3.1 in a SCO unix environment.
o "Ntrigue" from Insignia:
o not enough information .....
o "WINDD" from Tektronixs
o runs on a window NT box and use X to send the display back to the unix box...
o works like a charm.
o "WinCenter Pro" from NCD
o allow users to run a complete NT desktop on any Sun Workstation or X-terminal.
o runs like a dream.
o Triteal's CDE product:
o uses NCD "WinCenter Pro" with some additional sutff to make it easier to
integrate with their CDE product.
The winner is belonged to Triteal. Mike Roberts mentioned that Tektronix's WinDD is
good but a little pricy, and we need CDE (Common Desktop Environment) for our Sun
systems as well as HP systems which Triteal build its product on top of "WinCenter
Pro" from NCD. Well, I haven't try it out yet but hopefully my manager can allow me
to do the evaluation.
Best Rgds,
Lincoln Chang
System administrator
Philips Semiconductors Sunnyvale Site
email address: chang@scs.philips.com
>>>> Following is the original email sent to me:
From: djohnson@nbserv2.dseg.ti.com (Danny Johnson 0172547)
a large part of Texas Instruments is adopting Ntrigue (from Insignia
Solutions I think) to perform this function. it runs on (almost?)
any Intel-based (only?) NT computer.
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From: "Cheng, Bruce" <Bruce.Cheng@aspect.com>
I have tried WINDD from Tektronix, it seems to work pretty well.
Other options that are available now (not when I was using WINDD
(http://www.tektronix.com) are
Insignia's NTrigue (http://www.insigina.com) ...
I would lean towards industry standard (such as citrix winframe
technology and Windows NT) to avoid
compatibility problem.
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From: wiles@geordi.calspan.com (Dale Wiles)
I've used WABI across NFS and it works fine. You wont be able to operate
multiple users on the same window session at the same time with out
potential problems. The most noticable is that changes one user makes in
the desktop and the such will be overwritten when another user changes
things to their own likeing. You also run the risk of stomping on each
others cache files which can destroy work.
What I did was install Windows and MS-Office into a publicly readable NFS
directory. Then I made a local $WABIDIR in the users home directory. Then I
wrote a script that copied any file that the user would normaly modify
themselves (.INI and .GRP are examples) into their $WABIDIR, but only make
symbolic links to files that don't change (.EXEs ect.) Windows and
MS-Office only took up around 10Meg per-user.
Also, I think MicroSoft would get upset if you used 10 copies of Windows and
only payed for 1.
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From: jason andrade <jason@dstc.edu.au>
I'd recommend `wincenter pro' from Citrix. There are a number of products
out there that'll do Windows on the X desktop, including WinDD (tektronix)
and hp500 from HP. We use a pentium pro 200 w/ 128M of ram as our wincenter
server to support 15 simultaneous users (we're probably going to upgrade to 25
soon) and it runs like a dream. You can probably get by with a fast pentium
and adequete ram for this.
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From: "Roberts, Mike" <cmrobert@tva.gov>
If you are in a mixed environment with multiple UNIX workstations (we
have Sun, HP, AIX, DEC as well as various X terminals), you may want to
take a look at an alternative that we went to. We are using a product
put out by NCD (Network Computing Devices, see www.ncd.com) called
WinCenter Pro. It is a modified NT kernel running on a standard NT
server. It allows multiple concurrent logon sessions on the NT server
with display back to an X windows display (sort of like starting a
window acting as a NT X terminal). Nothing runs on the UNIX desktop
itself. You start the session via a remote shell command to the NT
server. You can also set up shell scripts on the UNIX box to start up
an application, Word for example, via rsh in an existing WinCenter
session or in a new session so if you can tell your mail product how to
open different types of attachments, you can start Word by opening the
attachment.
This is not an emulator (you're actually running on the NT server) so
you have full network access to anything NT does including Novell if you
need it. If NT will run an application, you can see it on your UNIX
desktop (one current exception is with DOS programs that require full
screen display. they run on the console but have trouble on the remote
displays).
Check it out at the NCD website. We've got 3 groups using this already
as an alternative to PCs with Win95 beside their Suns and HPs. By the
way, if you check out the Triteal Webpage (www.triteal.com), you'll find
that they're using WinCenter Pro as the NT server software for their
NTED environment. We heard about Wincenter from them when we were
testing out their TED CDE product (which is very good if you want a
real, non-manufacturer-proprietary, Common Desktop Environment for a mix
of several brands of UNIX desktops)
The problem I had with the HP500 when I read up on it is that you're
primarily running a Windows 3.1 emulator in a SCO UNIX environment with
the SCO operating system providing the X interface. We didn't even get
a demo copy because we were more interested in the NT level of OS than
DOS windows.
Other products similar to WinCenter are Tektronix's WinDD
(www.tektronix.com) which we didn't test because we felt it to be a
little pricey and SoftConnect's XConnection (www.softconnect.com) which
we tested and really liked but their Novell support wasn't up to speed
and we still have a fair size Novell network.
*****************
From: Linda Cygan <lcygan@wpm.com>
ry looking at WinCenter Pro from NCD. It is a "Multiuser-NT" server. It
will allow users to run a complete NT desktop on any Sun Workstation or
X-terminal. We use it and love it. There are also similar products called
NTrigue and WinDD. I have heard that the Triteal's product uses WinCenter with
some additional stuff to make it easier to intergrate with their CDE product.
I don't know this for sure, but I have seen complaints regarding running
WABI on a SPARC system with more than one user. If you are going to go
with WABI, you should put it on a X86 box and let users run it on that machine
instead of installing it on the SPARC station.
*******************
From: reynolds@acetsw.amat.com (John Reynolds)
Here is a VERY local bit of kludge that allows us to start up WABI
sessions on a Solaris server (named scla20 in the comments) from our
SunOS workstations. Since it's a shared copy of WABI, any changes
anyone makes affects everybody. Use at your own risk, or adapt freely
B-}
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From: hxktb0@svho1nfs_1.supervalu.com (Kris Briscoe)
Currently we are evalutaing a product from Tektronixs called "windd". It runs
on a windows NT box and uses X to send the display back to the unix box...This
works like a charm. We are going to buy it.
Call Tektronix at 1.800.547.8949. Speak with Gary Corso regarding Windd. Tell
him Kris Briscoe from SuperValu sent you...He will take care of you.
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