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hi managers
because i received many requests that asked me to send a copy
of what i received about kermit ,now here is it.
now i can use kermit very well , it is sdr@rdga3.att.com who
gave me the best answer and full steps about how to run kermit .
thanks, Steve Raffensberger. if you have any question please ask
sdr@rdga3.att.com or me .
good luck!
liuqh
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From: MX%"sdr@rdga3.att.com" 16-MAR-1995 22:46:47.79
Subj: Re: kermit&zmoden
COMMENT - Standard C-Kermit initialization file
;
; For C-Kermit Version: 5A(188)
;
; Filename:
; .kermrc (UNIX, OS-9)
; CKERMIT.INI (OS/2, VMS, OpenVMS, AOS/VS, Atari ST, Commodore Amiga)
;
; Authors:
; Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone
; Columbia University, New York, NY, USA
;
; Date: 23 November 1992
; Last update: Fri Mar 5 14:05:58 1993
;
; This is the standard and recommended C-Kermit 5A initialization file.
; It should be portable to all implementations of C-Kermit 5A edit 188
; and later. To override settings or definitions made in this file, to
; add new settings or definitions, or to make any other desired
; customizations, create a separate, personal customization file called:
;
; .mykermrc (UNIX, OS-9)
; CKERMOD.INI (OS/2, VMS, OpenVMS, AOS/VS, Atari ST, Commodore Amiga)
;
; You can also define the customization filename in an environment
; variable (logical name in VMS), CKERMOD, which takes precedence over
; the names shown above.
;
; WHAT THIS FILE DOES:
;
; . The FULLSCREEN file transfer display is selected if it is available
; . Defines your default dialing directory name:
; .kdd for UNIX and OS-9, CKERMIT.KDD for other operating systems.
; You can override this with the environment variable CKDDIR.
; . Defines your default services directory name:
; .ksd for UNIX and OS-9, CKERMIT.KSD for other operating systems.
; You can override this with environment variable CKSDIR.
; . Defines your customization file name (name given above)
; . Performs system-dependent setups for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, etc.
; . Defines an EDIT macro to let you invoke a text editor from C-Kermit.
; . Defines TSEND, BSEND, TGET, BGET macros for text and binary file transfer.
; . Defines VTPRINT, PCGET, and PCSEND macros for use with MS-DOS Kermit.
; . Opens your dialing directory if you have one.
; . Reads your services directory and defines ACCESS and LIST macros for it.
; . Executes your personal customization file, if you have one.
;
; C-Kermit 5A is documented in the book "Using C-Kermit" by Frank da Cruz
; and Christine M. Gianone, Digital Press, Burlington, MA, USA. Digital
; Press ISBN: 1-55558-108-0; Prentice-Hall ISBN: 0-13-037490-3. Price: US
; $34.95.
; Everything after this point depends on the script programming language.
; The CHECK command terminates this command file immediately if the script
; programming language (IF command) is not configured.
;
set take error on ; This makes CHECK quit if no script language.
check if ; Do we have an IF command? If not, quit now.
set take error off ; Back to normal.
COMMENT - Greet and make sure C-Kermit edit is 188 or higher.
;
echo Executing \v(cmdfile) for \v(system)...
if < \v(version) 501188 -
stop 1 \v(cmdfile): C-Kermit 5A(188) or later required.
define _dedit ; No default editor yet.
goto \v(system) ; First do system-dependent items...
:unknown ; Should not happen
Stop 1 Error: System type unknown!
:UNIX ; UNIX, all versions
assign _dialdir -
\v(home).kdd ; C-Kermit dialing directory
assign _servicedir -
\v(home).ksd ; C-Kermit services directory
assign _myinit -
\v(home).mykermrc ; Customization filename
check fullscreen ; Do we have a fullscreen display?
if success set file displ full ; If so, use it.
define _dedit vi ; Default editor is VI
goto common ; End of UNIX section
:OS9/68K ; OS-9
assign _dialdir -
\v(home).kdd ; C-Kermit dialing directory
assign _servicedir -
\v(home).ksd ; C-Kermit services directory
assign _myinit -
\v(home).mykermrc ; Customization filename
if eq "\$(TERM)" "vt100" - ; File transfer display
set file display full ; Only works with VT-100 terminal type
else if eq "\$(TERM)" "VT100" -
set file display full
else set file display crt
goto common ; End of OS-9 section
:VMS ; VMS and OpenVMS
define _dedit edit ; Default editor is EDIT.
set file display fullscreen ; File transfer fisplay
goto common
:OS/2 ; OS/2
define _dialdir C:/CKERMIT/CKERMIT.KDD
define _servicedir C:/CKERMIT/CKERMIT.KSD
define _myinit C:/CKERMIT/CKERMOD.INI
set file display fullscreen ; File transfer fisplay
set server display on ; Show display in server mode too.
define _dedit e ; Default editor is E.
set command bytesize 8 ; Use 8 bits between Kermit and console.
set xfer char latin1 ; Use Latin-1 for text file transfer.
define cls echo \27[H\27[2J ; Define CLS command to clear the screen.
define os2 push ; Make OS2 a synonym for PUSH, RUN, etc.
define more run more < \%1 ; Easy access to MORE command.
define vdir run dir | more ; "Verbose" DIRECTORY
define tdir run dir /o-d | more ; Reverse Time-Order DIRECTORY
goto common ; End of OS/2 section
:AOS/VS ; Data General AOS/VS
define _dedit sed ; Default editor is SED
set file char dg-international ; File character-set
set xfer char latin1 ; Transfer character-set
set file display crt ; File transfer fisplay
define cli push ; Escape to CLI
define reset - ; Macro to reset DG DASHER terminal
run write [!ascii 236 306 301]
goto common ; End of AOS/VS section
:Amiga ; Commodore Amiga
define cls echo \27[H\27[2J ; CLS command to clear the screen
set file display full ; Supports fullscreen display
set file char latin1 ; Use Latin Alphabet 1 for file transfer
set xfer char latin1 ; ...
goto common ; End of Amiga section
:Atari_ST ; Atari ST
define cls echo \27H\27J ; Clear screen a`la VT52
set file display crt ; FULLSCREEN not available
set server display on ; Show file xfer display in server mode too
set server timeout 15 ; Nonzero required for ^C interruption!
goto common ; End of Atari ST section
:Macintosh ; Apple Macintosh
set server display on ; Show file xfer display in server mode too.
:COMMON ; System-independent items
; Make the C-Kermit prompt show my current directory.
; Environment variable or logical name CKPROMPT takes precedence.
;
if def \$(CKPROMPT) set prompt \$(CKPROMPT)
else if eq "\v(system)" "VMS" set prompt \v(dir) C-Kermit>
else set prompt [\v(dir)] C-Kermit>
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;SDR
;
COMMENT - VTPRINT macro. Print a file on your PC's local printer.
;
define vtprint echo \27[5i, type \%1, echo \27[4i
COMMENT - PCGET macro, for use with MS-DOS Kermit. Argument:
; 1 = Name of file to get from MS-DOS Kermit.
; Requires MS-DOS Kermit macro TERMINALS defined as "server, connect".
;
define pcget echo \27[\?34h, set file type binary, get \%1, finish
COMMENT - PCSEND macro, for use with MS-DOS Kermit. Arguments:
; \%1 = Name of file to send to MS-DOS Kermit.
; \%2 = Optional name to send it with.
; Requires MS-DOS Kermit macro TERMINALR defined as "receive, connect".
;
define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1), set file type binary,-
if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
set delay 1, echo \27[\?34l,-
if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name
else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name
COMMENT - Set up file transfer parameters for READING ISN
set window-size 2
set send packet-length 1024
set receive packet-length 1024
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;SDR
COMMENT - Macros to send and get binary and text files.
;
define bsend set file type binary, send \%1 \%2 ; Send binary file(s)
define tsend set file type text, send \%1 \%2 ; Send text file(s)
define bget remote set file type binary, - ; Get binary file(s)
if success get \%1 \%2 ; from server
define tget remote set file type text, - ; Get text file(s)
if success get \%1 ; from server
COMMENT - EDIT macro.
;
; EDITOR environment variable, if defined, takes precedence.
;
check push ; Only works if we have a PUSH command
if fail goto macros ; (so it doesn't work on the Macintosh).
if def \$(EDITOR) assign myeditor \$(EDITOR)
else assign myeditor \m(_dedit)
if not def myeditor def myeditor edit
define _dedit
define myfile
define edit if = \v(argc) 2 assign myfile \%1,-
if not def myfile echo Edit what?,-
else run \m(myeditor) \m(myfile)
:MACROS
; Define macros that are useful when running C-Kermit in remote mode.
; These macros serve no purpose on local-mode-only versions such as
; OS/2, Macintosh, Amiga, and Atari ST Kermit, so we skip defining them
; for those systems.
;
if = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) goto files
COMMENT - VTPRINT macro. Print a file on your PC's local printer.
;
define vtprint echo \27[5i, type \%1, echo \27[4i
COMMENT - PCGET macro, for use with MS-DOS Kermit. Argument:
; 1 = Name of file to get from MS-DOS Kermit.
; Requires MS-DOS Kermit macro TERMINALS defined as "server, connect".
;
define pcget echo \27[\?34h, get \%1, finish
COMMENT - PCSEND macro, for use with MS-DOS Kermit. Arguments:
; \%1 = Name of file to send to MS-DOS Kermit.
; \%2 = Optional name to send it with.
; Requires MS-DOS Kermit macro TERMINALR defined as "receive, connect".
;
define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
set delay 1, echo \27[\?34l,-
if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name
else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name
:FILES
; Get customization, dialing directory, and services directory filenames.
; Let environment variables take precedence, so users do not have to edit
; this file to change these filenames.
;
if def \$(CKERMOD) assign _myinit \$(CKERMOD)
if not def _myinit assign _myinit \v(home)CKERMOD.INI
if def \$(CKDDIR) assign _dialdir \$(CKDDIR)
if not def _dialdir assign _dialdir \v(home)CKERMIT.KDD
if def \$(CKSDIR) assign _servicedir \$(CKSDIR)
if not def _servicedir assign _servicedir \v(home)CKERMIT.KSD
CHECK DIAL ; Is the DIAL command enabled?
xif fail { - ; No.
echo DIAL disabled -
} else { - ; Yes, check for and open the dial directory.
xif exist \m(_dialdir) { -
set dial directory \m(_dialdir), -
echo { Dial directory is \m(_dialdir) } -
} -
}
COMMENT - Check for existence of services directory
;
if not exist \m(_servicedir) goto noservices
COMMENT - Have services directory, so read it and define related macros
;
echo { Services directory is \m(_servicedir)}
def max_svcs 50 ; Adjust this if you have more than 50 entries!
open read \m(_servicedir) ; Open services directory file
xif fail { -
echo Can't open \m(_servicedir), -
goto noservices -
}
declare \&d[\m(max_svcs)] ; Declare array for service directory entries
for \%i 1 \m(max_svcs) 1 { - ; Read entries into array
read \&d[\%i], -
if fail goto done -
}
close read ; Didn't reach the end
echo - ; Close the file and print useful message
\?Too many entries in services directory:
echo { Maximum is \m(max_svcs).}
echo { Change definition of max_svcs in \v(cmdfile) to allow more. }
echo { Services directory disabled.}
goto noservices
:DONE ; We have the services directory in memory
asg \&d[0] \feval(\%i - 1) ; Keep size of array in zeroth element
; LIST macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = service name (optional)
;
define LIST -
if > \v(argc) 1 goto search, -
echo \&d[0] items in services directory:, - ; No search item
for \%i 1 \&d[0] 1 { echo \&d[\%i] }, end, - ; List whole directory
:search, - ; Search item given
lookup \%1, - ; Look it up
if def \v(return) echo \v(return), - ; List it if found
else echo \%1: Not found ; or say it wasn't
COMMENT - SERIAL macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = device name
; \%2 = speed
;
define SERIAL -
if < \v(argc) 3 - ; All arguments given?
end 1 Usage: SERIAL device speed,- ; No.
set line \%1,- ; OK, try to SET LINE.
if failure - ; If this failed,
end 1 Can't open device: \%1,- ; print message and quit.
set speed \%2,- ; Try to set the speed.
if fail end 1 Unsupported speed: \%2,- ; Failed.
echo Connection successful. ; Succeeded.
COMMENT - NET macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = network type
; \%2 = host name or address
;
define NET if < \v(argc) 3 end 1 Usage: NET network host,-
set network \%1,-
if fail end 1 unsupported network: \%1,-
set host \%2,-
if fail end 1 can't reach host: \%2,-
echo Connection successful.
COMMENT - CALL macro. Arguments:
;
; \%1 = modem type
; \%2 = device name
; \%3 = speed
; \%4 = phone number
;
define CALL if < \v(argc) 5 end 1 Usage: CALL modem device speed number,-
set modem \%1,-
if fail end 1 unknown modem type: \%1,-
set line \%2,-
if fail end 1 can't open device: \%2,-
set speed \%3,-
if fail end 1 unsupported speed: \%3,-
for \%i 1 10 1 { -
xif > \%i 1 { -
echo Will redial in 1 minute: please wait...,-
pause 60,-
echo Redialing: try number \%i...,-
},-
dial \%4,-
if success goto ok,-
hangup,-
} -
end 1 Can't place call: \%4,-
:ok,-
pause 1,-
echo Connection successful.
COMMENT - SPRINT macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = Service name or address
;
define SPRINT -
if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 service,-
set input timeout proceed,-
output \13\13,-
input 10 TERMINAL=,-
if fail end 1 No terminal prompt,-
out D1\13,-
inp 10 @,-
if fail end 1 No atsign prompt,-
output c \%1\13,-
input 10 CONNECTED,-
if fail end 1 Can't access \%1 from SprintNet
COMMENT - VMSLOGIN macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = VMS user ID
; \%2 = Password. If password not supplied, it is prompted for.
;
define VMSLOGIN if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: VMSLOGIN userid password,-
while not defined \%2 { -
askq \%2 { \%1's password: } -
},-
set parity none,-
set duplex full,-
set handshake none,-
set flow xon/xoff,-
set input timeout proceed,-
for \%i 1 3 1 { -
out \13,-
in 5 Username:,-
if success goto dologin -
},-
end 1 No Username prompt,-
:dologin,-
out \%1\13,-
inp 5 Password:,-
if fail end 1 No password prompt,-
out \%2\13,-
def \%2,-
set inp ech off,-
inp 10 \27Z,-
if success output \27[\?1c,-
set inp ech on,-
inp 60 {\13\10$ },- ; CHANGE THIS IF NECESSARY!
if fail end 1 No system prompt,-
echo Login successful.
COMMENT - UNIXLOGIN macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = user ID
; \%2 = password
;
define UNIXLOGIN if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid password,-
while not defined \%2 { -
askq \%2 { \%1's password: } -
},-
set parity none,-
set duplex full,-
set handshake none,-
set flow xon/xoff,-
set case on,-
out \13,-
set input timeout proceed,-
for \%i 1 15 1 { -
in 5 login:,-
if success goto dologin,-
output \\B -
},-
end 1 No login prompt,-
:dologin,-
out \%1\13,-
inp 5 Password:,-
if fail end 1 No password prompt,-
out \%2\13,-
def \%2,-
inp 60 {\13\10$ },- ; CHANGE THIS IF NECESSARY!
if fail end 1 No system prompt,-
echo Login successful.
COMMENT - VMLINELOGIN macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = User ID
; \%2 = Password
;
define VMLINELOGIN -
if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid password,-
while not defined \%2 { -
askq \%2 { \%1's password: } -
},-
set parity mark,-
set flow none,-
set handshake xon,-
set duplex half,-
set input timeout quit,-
input 10 BREAK KEY,-
pause 1,-
output \\B,-
input 10 .\17, output login \%1\13,-
input 10 .\17, output \%2\13,-
input 10 .\17, output \13,-
input 10 .\17, output \13,-
set input timeout proceed,-
echo Login successful.
COMMENT - VMFULLOGIN macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = User ID
; \%2 = Password
;
define VMFULLOGIN -
if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid password,-
while not defined \%2 { -
askq \%2 { \%1's password: } -
},-
set input timeout quit,-
set parity even,-
set duplex full,-
set handshake none,-
set flow xon/xoff,-
out \13,-
inp 5 TERMINAL TYPE:,-
out vt-100\13,-
inp 20 RUNNING,-
pau 1,-
out \%1\9\%2\13,-
out \13\13,-
set input timeout proceed,-
echo Login successful.
COMMENT - CISLOGIN macro for CompuServe. Arguments:
; \%1 = CompuServe User ID
; \%2 = Password
;
define CISLOGIN -
if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid password,-
while not defined \%2 { -
askq \%2 { \%1's password: } -
},-
set input timeout quit,-
output \13,-
input 5 Host Name:,-
output cis\13,-
input 5 User ID:,-
output \%2\13,-
input Password:,-
output \%3\13,-
input 20 Enter Choice!,-
set input timeout proceed,-
echo Login successful.
COMMENT - DOWLOGIN macro for Dow Jones News/Retrieval. Arguments:
; \%1 = Dow Jones Password
;
define DOWLOGIN -
while not defined \%1 { -
askq \%1 { Dow Jones password: } -
},-
set input timeout proceed,-
input 20 SERVICE PLEASE\?\?\?\?,-
if fail end 1 no service prompt,-
out djnr\13,-
input 10 @@@@,-
if fail end 1 No password prompt,-
pause 1,-
output \%1\13,-
input 20 ENTER QUERY,-
if fail end 1 No main query prompt,-
pause 1@,-
echo Login successful.
COMMENT - DJNRSPRINT macro: Log in to Dow Jones via SprintNet.
;
define djnrsprint sprint dow, dowlogin
COMMENT - NOLOGIN macro. Does nothing. Use when login not required.
;
define nologin comment
COMMENT - LOOKUP macro. Argument:
; \%1 = Service name to look for in services directory
;
define LOOKUP -
set case off,- ; Ignore alphabetic case
for \%i 1 \&d[0] 1 { - ; Loop thru services directory
if eq \%1 \fsubstr(\&d[\%i],1,\flen(\%1)) - ; Got a match?
break - ; If so, we're done
},-
if not > \%i \&d[0] return \&d[\%i] ; Return the entry
define DOACCESS - ; (Used internally by ACCESS macro)
asg \%1 \fsubstr(\%1,2),- ; Trim password argument
do \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,- ; Do the connection macro
if success do \%3 \%4 \%1 ; Do the login macro
; ACCESS macro. Arguments:
; \%1 = service name
; \%2 = password (optional)
;
define ACCESS -
if not defined \%1 end 1 access what?,- ; Check service
lookup \%1,- ; Look it up
if success doaccess { \%2} \v(return),- ; OK, try it
else end 1 "\%1" not in services directory,- ; Not found
if fail stop 1 ; DOACCESS failed?
goto endservices ; Skip around NOSERVICES definitions.
:NOSERVICES
define access echo { Services directory not available.}
assign list \m(access)
:ENDSERVICES
COMMENT - In VMS and OpenVMS, allow for system-wide site customizations
;
if not equal "\v(system)" "VMS" goto custom
xif exist CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS { -
echo Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS, -
take CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS -
}
COMMENT - Execute user's personal customization file
;
:CUSTOM
xif exist \m(_myinit) { - ; If it exists,
echo Executing \m(_myinit)..., - ; print message,
take \m(_myinit) - ; and TAKE the file.
}
COMMENT - Greeting.
;
if < \v(ntime) 43200 echo Good Morning!
else if < \v(ntime) 61200 echo Good Afternoon!
else echo Good Evening
; End of C-Kermit 5A initialization file.
From: MX%"heas@maelstrom.Timeplex.COM" 17-MAR-1995 04:22:47.67
Subj: Re: kermit&zmoden
cmd line: kermit -l /dev/xxxx -b <baud>
From: MX%"merccap!saieva@uunet.uu.net" 17-MAR-1995 08:33:21.83
Subj: Re: kermit&zmoden
Start the zmodem transfer on the remote end:
sz filename
Escape back to your local kermit by typing CTRL-\ C (or other escape charcter)
and from the Kermit prompt type the zmodem receive command redirecting in/output
to the serial port device you're using. For instance:
run rz < /dev/cua0 > /dev/cua0
Sal.
--- From: MX%"hoff@vlsi1.racal.com" 17-MAR-1995 09:03:13.90 Subj: Re: kermit&zmodenIf you can use tip to dial out, you can use c-kermit by doing this: $kermit c-kermit>set line /dev/cua0 Then you can use kermit's dial command, connect, and you're on you way. zmodem doesn't have any dialing capabilities that I know of. Once you're connected, at a unix prompt, keyin "sz filename" and it will begin sending the file. At the other end, usually after some escape sequence, you tell it to receive.
The cua0 above assumes that's the device your modem'm connected to.
I often use kermit command line options to set the line, the speed, the escape character, the number to dial, and a connect so that I can connect to someplace with an alias or script.
From: MX%"ross@era_lab" 17-MAR-1995 16:28:23.58 Subj: kermit&zmoden
it's quite easy to create your own .kermrc file. To get started use:
set line /dev/term/b set speed 19200 set parity none set file type binary
everything else is in the ckermit documentation. The answerbook tells you how to setup the serial line.
From: MX%"sdr@rdga3.att.com" 21-MAR-1995 00:08:25.29 Subj: Re: kermit&zmoden
Hi Liuqh,
Yes, I'll try to get you started. You should really get the book "Using C-Kermit" to help you out. The specifics are in the Kermit files that you downloaded.
1. Install the Kermit executable in the user's PATH somewhere. I used the /usr/local directory.
2. Install a copy of .kermrc in the same directory.
3. Have each user make a symbolic link from that .kermrc into their home directory.
4. Each user can create a .mykermrc to customize their own setup.
5. The user then types "kermit".
6. Kermit executes the .kermrc and then the .mykermrc (if found) and should prompt the user with a "C-Kermit>" prompt.
7. The user can type "help" or "?" to get a list of things they can do next. The help is heirchical so that you can decend through help levels like this:
"help" ... produces list of commands, one of which is "set". "help set" ... produces a description of the set command. "help set baud" ... produces a description of the set baud command.
"?" ... produces a list of commands, one of which is "set". "set ?" ... produces a list of things you can set, one of which is baud. "set baud ?" ... produces a list of valid baud rates.
I don't remember if you are using Kermit to connect to other computers or if you are using other computers to connect to Kermit. The commands you use next depend on this.
If you are using another computer to connect to Kermit, you probably will want to transfer files. The other computer must have an "escape code" that will let you pop back to it and set it up for transfers. As an example, here's what I do with MS-Kermit on a PC.
Use MS-Kermit to login to UNIX. Start C-Kermit on UNIX. Type "send filename1 filename2" Type "ALT-X" to pop back to MS-Kermit. Type "receive" to tell MS-Kermit to accept the file that C-Kermit is sending. After transfer is complete, type "connect" to pop back to UNIX and C-kermit. Type "quit" to exit C-kermit and get back to UNIX prompt.
Other PC communication programs have different "escape codes". I think Procomm uses the "Page Down" key.
Let me know if you need more help.
Steve Raffensberger AT&T
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