Some good starting points for this question. Just what I wanted, thanks
to all. :-)
Special thanks to Debbie for words of encouragment. ;-)
Appologies to Bert for "wasting" the bandwidth. :-]
My original post:
Can anyone suggest/recommend any products, freeware or otherwise that
provide an automated frontend to RCS. Alternativly a product functionaly
equivelent to RCS but with this feature.
Are there alternatives to building a release other than Make?
I guess this is a little of the beam for Sys Admin, but I think there is
some relevance.
Any useful comments will be appreciated, thanks. :-)
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David,
Try Sun's SPARCworks/TeamWare. It includes a pretty Openlook frontend on top of SCCS. It includes the following four products:
CodeManager: Allows more than one developer to work on the same set of files.
It aids in merge etc...
VersionTool: Works with CodeManager. Controls versions of individual files
(rather then workspaces that CodeManager deals with). Based on
SCCS.
CheckPoint: Works with CodeManager to create a database of file version
numbers for a particular application release number.
ParallelMake: Exactly as the name suggests it replaces the standard make with
one that launches several jobs at once.
I haven't had a good look at the above products (I had a demo license so we could review the product), but what I saw seemed very good.
If you hassle SUN they should give you a one month demo license to try it out.
Cheers.
Sean
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Try CVS which sits on top of RCS and avbailable from the same sites as RCS
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>From the keyboard of David Robson: > Can anyone suggest/recommend any products, freeware or otherwise that > provide an automated frontend to RCS. Alternativly a product functionaly > equivelent to RCS but with this feature. > Are there alternatives to building a release other than Make?
What do you mean by "automated frontend to RCS"? > I guess this is a little of the beam for Sys Admin, but I think there is > some relevance.
Yeah, it's completely relevant. Many sysadmins get saddled with this task even tho' they aren't on the development team and won't ever be using this stuff. (Does it sound like I've been there -- and am working on this right now?!? Note the .sig for the sysadmin reference ... ;-).
Anyway, there's a FAQ on this issue that you can probably ftp from rtfm.mit.edu (but don't recall where it is right now -- if you can't find it I could try to find my online copy and email it) which came out of the comp.software.config-mgmt newsgroup. That's a really good place to look for info in this area as well.
As far as products (since I'm in the middle of this thing as well), the first thing to *try* to determine is what is really needed down to a specific level of functionality, but especially concentrating on which paradigm is of most interest (the copy-modify-merge style or the lock-edit-commit one). Then you can work on evaluating products and try to get a close match between what is really wanted and what is available.
There's *lots* of info out on the net related to this, but you'll need to focus on specifically what you're looking for (the bibliography that someone keeps on this had at least 307 references before I sent in the latest on I came across).
Also, many of the commercial products have their own program that does the same thing as "make" (and some even have compatability with Makefiles). Again, you need to determine what your needs are and then evaluate the products.
> Any useful comments will be appreciated, thanks. :-)
Only one more comment right now, as someone recently told me, all of the product literature in this area has the right buzzwords but until you use it, it's really hard to determine how it really fits in with your development environment. So good luck and take heart in that you're not alone in this game ....
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In article <9409280458.AA00939@lpdwhy.bhp.com.au>, you write: > Can anyone suggest/recommend any products, freeware or otherwise that > provide an automated frontend to RCS. Alternativly a product functionaly > equivelent to RCS but with this feature. > Are there alternatives to building a release other than Make?
someone might suggest PVCS, even though it's not RCS-based (at least, I don't think it is). If someone does, my advice would be to ignore the suggestion. We're using it now instead of SCCS, in an attempt to get a configuration management system going. However, we're having enough trouble getting it to work at the same level as SCCS, never mind going further. It's obviously a PC program that's been ported to UNIX without much thought...
steve
-- <Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk> GCS d--(---)-p+ c++(+++)l(+)u++++e++(-)m---s+/-n-@h+(---)f+(++)!g(+)w+tr@y+ #include <std_disclaimer.h>........"Duh da duh de duh da duh" -Angus Young.
There is a package called Softbench - maybe from HP, but I think it runs on other OS's - that some folks seem to like because it's GUI based. It has configuration management, compiler access, debugger, etc. Don't know too much about it, but maybe it's worth looking in to.
pat
> >Can anyone suggest/recommend any products, freeware or otherwise that >provide an automated frontend to RCS. Alternativly a product functionaly >equivelent to RCS but with this feature.
You can try CVS if you want. It is free and it used to be a front end to CVS, though it has evolved into its own product. You can find a Tcl Graphical front end to it as well, though I do not remember what it is called. If you send mail to the cvs mailing list however you can probably get someone to tell you.
You can get CVS on prep.ai.mit.edu in /pub/gnu, along with the other GNU stuff. I think you may need to get GNU diff as well.
>Are there alternatives to building a release other than Make?
Make is actually quite good, and GNU make is even better. Once you have mastered the slighty awkward language, you tend to find that makefiles are quite easy to write and use.
-Dom
> From: dave@lpdwhy.bhp.com.au (David Robson) > > Can anyone suggest/recommend any products, freeware or otherwise that > provide an automated frontend to RCS. Alternativly a product functionaly > equivelent to RCS but with this feature. > Are there alternatives to building a release other than Make? > > I guess this is a little of the beam for Sys Admin, but I think there is > some relevance. > > Any useful comments will be appreciated, thanks. :-)
Check the newgroup comp.config-mgmt!
RCS frontends: CVS, GIC, Cavemane...
It is specifically for CM issues. Sun Managers is not the right place for CM discussions.
Bert Robbins
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